11/19/2011 09:37:00 AM
Transcripts of Blackberry messenger conversations between Hussain Haqqani and Mansoor Ijaz.
05/09/2011 12:31 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Are you in London? I am here just for 36 hours. Can we meet for after dinner coffee or s thing?
05/09/2011 12:32 MANSOOR IJAZ: I m in Monaco but it s no problem for me to fly up. Takes 90 minutes. What time did you have in mind?
Where do you want to meet?
05/09/2011 12:35 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Pls call me. I m at the Park Lane Intercon +442071060900 room 430
05/09/2011 12:35 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Waiting for ur call now 05/09/2011 13:37 MANSOOR IJAZ: Could access to the 3 stooges who widow the man be arranged as part of the bigger picture?
05/09/2011 13:39 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I am sure that can be arranged upon formal demand
05/09/2011 13:40 MANSOOR IJAZ: That is critical to breaking apart the system outside - and understanding what was going on inside.
Would we get candor and truth or some brainwashed jargon?
05/09/2011 13:40 MANSOOR IJAZ: The calls to Isphani s people have been made. Very very receptive reaction so far
05/09/2011 13:44 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: If my friend and I feel sufficiently empowered in relation to the bad boys, I will ensure we get candor
05/09/2011 13:45 MANSOOR IJAZ: Got it. Let me see if we can t get you a sledge hammer with a golden handle
05/09/2011 13:47 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Would be nice
05/09/2011 13:47 MANSOOR IJAZ: I m sending you a PIN message that others cannot see. Please respond. Thanks
05/09/2011 13:48 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Okay. Thx
05/09/2011 13:54 MANSOOR IJAZ: Message by PIN sent
05/09/2011 13:56 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Okay
05/09/2011 14:22 MANSOOR IJAZ: Message has been delivered to Isphani. Receptiom positive but I need you to agree to do something. Can I call you?
05/09/2011 15:02 MANSOOR IJAZ: Please PING when you can talk and on what number. Time sensitive
05/09/2011 15:05 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Entering No 10. Can speak on cell after an hour
05/09/2011 15:05 MANSOOR IJAZ: Okay. I ll wait for your PING
05/09/2011 16:09 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: PING!!!
05/09/2011 16:09 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: PING!!!
05/09/2011 16:09 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Pls call on cell now +16179532835
05/09/2011 16:10 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: PING!!!
05/09/2011 16:19 MANSOOR IJAZ: Sorry. Was stuck on call to DC. Pls ping again when ready
05/09/2011 18:26 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: PING!!!
05/09/2011 18:27 MANSOOR IJAZ: Tried you. Phone says unavailable
05/09/2011 18:38 MANSOOR IJAZ: The message I sent is what MM will see. It will be given directly to him and no one else
05/09/2011 18:59 MANSOOR IJAZ: My friend in DC simply said too many people have been burned in the past two years on the US side and he wanted to insure that on such a sensitive subject, the data and proposal are clear. This is you to me, me to him. He trusts me enough to know I won t bring it forward unless it has top level approval. He does not need it with any email addresses etc. He will scrub that in any event. If you want names to be mentioned, yours, JK, MD, etc, I will do that in person. So get whatever message you want delivered back to me and I ll insure it gets in MM s hands. Best. M
05/09/2011 19:02 MANSOOR IJAZ: By the way, the interesting thing is that they consider AZ s approval of the message worth more than anyone else in country right now. How do you like that?
05/09/2011 20:43 MANSOOR IJAZ: I have additional information you need to hear. Ping when I can call you please
05/09/2011 21:10 MANSOOR IJAZ: Would it be safe to say that you don t want to run this up your flagpole because you need to work this deal from the middle out? Tell me if that s the case and I ll use a different approach that does not require something in writing. What would then be helpful is if I could simply have a BBM saying my talking points are correct, or not, and then you set your table, I ll set my table and make sure you are an honored guest at my table when the party begins. If you re good with that, I just need your okay on the talking points. No need to run it up the az-pole, if you get my drift. M
05/10/2011 00:29 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Msg recvd. Tweaking. Middile of road option sounds good. Will call morning.
05/10/2011 00:29 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: PING!!!
05/10/2011 00:37 MANSOOR IJAZ: Will you be sending me your tweaks or am I to use my copy as final? If tweaks are short, I can call you to get them
05/10/2011 08:47 MANSOOR IJAZ: You have mail from two of my mailboxes. Please read, respond and then we have one last short discussion before I put everything in motion. Thanks. M
05/10/2011 12:45 MANSOOR IJAZ: I was just informed by senior US intel that GD-SII Mr P asked for, and received permission, from senior Arab leaders a few days ago to sack Z. For what its worth
05/10/2011 13:08 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Thanks. Very useful 05/10/2011 13:09 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: My friend and I agree with middle option. Go ahead
05/10/2011 14:57 MANSOOR IJAZ: Message delivered with caveat that he has to decide how hard to push - we only set the table. He must decide if he wants one course meal or seven course meal. Ball is in play now - make sure you have protected your flanks
05/11/2011 12:33 MANSOOR IJAZ: I ve been asked to find out what time your meeting is today. Response so far indicates they are having a hard look, although they find it nearly impossible to believe anyone could deliver such results... to be expected, I suppose.
Hope you got home okay. Did you see Mush while in London?
05/11/2011 14:59 MANSOOR IJAZ: PING!!!
05/12/2011 00:36 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Call me on my cell
05/12/2011 00:37 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Also, M in ur msgs above referred to the Admiral, right?
05/12/2011 00:37 MANSOOR IJAZ: Yes
05/12/2011 00:54 MANSOOR IJAZ: Clarification. M at the end of a message is Mansoor. M or MM in the text of a message is the admiral.
Apologies for any confusion. BBM when free. I ll call you. Whether it is shattering news or not is up to you to decide
05/12/2011 01:47 MANSOOR IJAZ: I just received an email from my link to MM independently confirming what you told me by phone. He says
MM was appreciative of our intervention and utilized the data to advise and consent
05/12/2011 02:47 HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Thanx. On way to Isloo. Will touch base on return
05/12/2011 02:54 MANSOOR IJAZ: Good luck. Let me know at any time if you need any help
Details of chat between MI and HH after his Financial article was published until the first week of November, 2011:
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: you can keep saying you delivered a message and show bbm convos to prove it
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Basically you don t get it
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: You have given hardliners in Pak Mil reason to argue there was an effort to get US to conspire against Pak Mil
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: You are a US citizen
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: You are supposed to look after US interests
MANSOOR IJAZ: I wrote one article. Have not said one word on the record since then to anyone. I think your press is working both sides against the middle, trying to force something out of anyone they can. Period. I don t play in that game
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: In Pak political situation, getting burned as a US stooge undermines one s effectiveness
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I will make sure FO shuts up
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Let this die down
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: We are in the right
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: We will still make things happen
MANSOOR IJAZ: Okay, well I know my IQ is pretty low so you are probably correct in saying I just don t get it.
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: The Pak press be damned
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I stand by you as a man of integrity werving his country
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: You don t let ppl back home argue I play for your team, not ours
MANSOOR IJAZ: But from my point of view, if there was a real threat, as you stated at the time, it is clear you were trying to save a democratic structure from those hawks
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: You get to write the book on how you changed US-Pak dynamic and won the war in A tan (w/ some help from a Paki nerd) :D
MANSOOR IJAZ: I was happy to get the message in the back door because it served American interests to preserve the democratic civilian setup and the offers made, if achieved, were very much congruent with American objectives in the region
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: True that, friend. But you know premature revelation ain t good
MANSOOR IJAZ: As far as I can see, we did right. Unless there is something I don t see here. But then I m sorta dumb from down on the farm where them hillbillies live
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Hey! Don t run down hillbillies
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Even the smartest can miss a piece of the puzzle
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: You are assuming there are no powerful men in Pak willing to break w/ US. Premature revelation gives those ppl reason to claim conspiracy , treason
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: That is all you missed. Period.
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: And no one else might tell you this, you re becoming irritable and losing your sense of humor as you grow old
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Let this one go. There is much to do. MUCH. And then, there s the beach where I ve been waiting to be invited, the slum boy visiting the millionaire
MANSOOR IJAZ: I m not a millionaire. But I do know a nice piece of beach!
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I m not a slum boy either but I know how to make friends with smart people with a sense of history :P
MANSOOR IJAZ: Jesus, then what the -- are you doing hanging around with me? =D
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: We ll make things happen and if we can t, we ll write a book about it
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Who said I was hanging around with you. A minute ago I thought you were about to hang me :D
MANSOOR IJAZ: :O MANSOOR IJAZ: Really?
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Look, Isloo is a mess. Journos gone wild. Politicos scared of mil. Mil scared of Yanks.
MANSOOR IJAZ: Tell me one important thing. Who likes you and who hates you in the US establishment? Who wants you to stay and who wants to -- you up?
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: The debate abt your oped has caused my detractors to put pressure on my boss
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: In US estab, I can count on Leon and Petraeus
MANSOOR IJAZ: I thought YOU were the boss!
MANSOOR IJAZ: Who is against you?
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Folks at State don t like me
MANSOOR IJAZ: Why?
MANSOOR IJAZ: Too close to AZ?
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: They think I am too mixed up w/ DoD and others and do not help them cut deals w/ Pak mil
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Close to AZ bit too
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: They are wrong re DoD and others.
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: It is just that becoz of A tan, they are more imp than State
MANSOOR IJAZ: I always thought HRC was one of your fans. She even has a lady from our parts working with her
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: It is folks at State who got pissed off by your mission
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: She may be but I was Holbrooke s buddy so everyone who hates him hates me
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I have no time for just pushing paper around
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: State likes process
MANSOOR IJAZ: Which mission? Sudan, Kashmir, there were so many they got pissed off about. I showed them how to do real American diplomacy and that was like a big pile of shit on their desk they couldn t swallow
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Conferences, statements-with nothing changing
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: The latest one
MANSOOR IJAZ: Yeah, I got it. You re right!
MANSOOR IJAZ: Anyway, State will always hate me because I don t accept their muddling way of doing things
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I don t know for a fact but I won t be surprised if the FO statement was prompted by someone here
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Robin Raphel is back as Grossman s deputy
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: You stepped on her toes w/ Kashmir mission
MANSOOR IJAZ: That would be typical. But Grossman knows me and he knows how serious I am. Raphael still hates me for the Kashmir intervention where she did everything she could to fuck me up
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: And now they hate me more when folks back home who hate me tell them you and I might have been together on s thing (whether we were or not is irrelevant to them)
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Grossman is good but he doesn t like anyone playing a larger than life role. Old school
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: That s why I have been requesting you to let this one go
MANSOOR IJAZ: Yeah I know. Found that out when he was our lobbyist. But he s a good guy
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: That takes attention off me
MANSOOR IJAZ: Hmmmmmmmmm....... Not sure anything could take attention off you
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I try and make peace with State and focus on battles at home
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: HaHa :D MANSOOR IJAZ: Diplomacy at its finest!!! HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Yeah, right! But at least I shd not be painted as playing for your team
MANSOOR IJAZ: Why not? You were a good quarterback for those three days!!
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I want to solve -***ing problems not fight a rearguard action all the time
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: :x
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Let us wait and see if Hillary s latest foray changes things in any direction
MANSOOR IJAZ: Did we really solve a true problem or was this all smoke and mirrors?
MANSOOR IJAZ: I mean on those days of stress...
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: View here is that everyone in Isloo sucks!
MANSOOR IJAZ: That s pretty much true!!!!
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Too early to say re solution
MANSOOR IJAZ: But if they all suck, then what did we save - a sinking ship that was going to sink anyway???
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: And there is a genetic problem at that end, predisposed to going round and round in circles
MANSOOR IJAZ: Yup!! That s for damn sure
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I think we save the situation from an extremely violent outcome
MANSOOR IJAZ: How can you solve the problems you understand so well from here if all the people in charge over there are wrong? It s only one year til we have a change in the US. Then you really won t like who we have here!
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I mean, Iran might have done better if the Shah had been saved AND some true reform introduced
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Actually, I think the new ppl here might be better to deal with
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: They won t take lies easily
MANSOOR IJAZ: Don t bet on it. We have a lot of extremists cropping up and seeping into the system
MANSOOR IJAZ: They don t trust anything Pakistani
MANSOOR IJAZ: Don t matter what it is
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Well, in that case find me a cheap piece of beach :)
MANSOOR IJAZ: Cain, Romney (who hates Muslims), Perry - its all the same crap
MANSOOR IJAZ: Hmmmmm, yes, I can arrange that
MANSOOR IJAZ: Why is Z such an idiot?
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: But don t go off writing opeds abt arranging piece of beach w out consulting first :P
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: HaHa! Tough question
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I have a speech in 20 mins so let s keep that for later
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Bye for now
MANSOOR IJAZ: Okay. Good luck.
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Thank you!
MANSOOR IJAZ: Hi buddy, I understand you/ your foreign office hacks are commissioning hatchet pieces against me. Unfortunate.... very unfortunate
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I will enquire and stop them. There s no need for any of this.
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: You haven t helped by engaging so much w/ Pak media.
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: What happened to the silent soldier ?
MANSOOR IJAZ: I issued a statement that was designed to put an end to all of this after Imran Khan s rally nonsense. But be that as it
may, I m not going to tolerate character assassination in any of this
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I agree
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Will do my best to prevent it
MANSOOR IJAZ: Roger that
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Focus on your policy message instead of who did what and we can turn this around
MANSOOR IJAZ: Please remind your boss that his beloved wife, who later became a good friend of mine, tried the same bullshit tactics in 1996 when Maleeha was envoy - result: her government was dismissed in Nov 1996.
MANSOOR IJAZ: I m not someone he can mess around with. He better get that message from me and really understand it
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: My response to Imran was very simple and true: I did not write a treasonous letter and if Imran has a copy, he should present it
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I don t think your threatening helps
MANSOOR IJAZ: That s true from my point of view as well. But politicians are politicians
MANSOOR IJAZ: I don t make threats. I state facts. Your boss needs reminding of the facts
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Are you sure your side won t deny?
MANSOOR IJAZ: No, maybe they will. But that would also be a mistake. Too much proof on that side as well.
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: But does "proving" help anything?
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Is it not the nature of a private mission that officials deny it?
MANSOOR IJAZ: Don t know. Don t care. My point is simple - I ve said what I was going to. Attacks on my person will not be tolerated. And my statement stands. Stop telling lies about me and I might just stip telling the truth about you
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: If you were to listen to my advice, you would let this blow over and prove yourself afterwards. You are the one who will outlast the flying shit :)
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: That is usually my strategy: be there when the others have self-destructed or blown over
MANSOOR IJAZ: I ve kept to my word - if everyone wants to call it a fabrication and make me the fall guy, then gloves come off and it s not going to be fun or pretty for anyone
MANSOOR IJAZ: You did something you thought was right outside channels because you felt it would be the most effective way to get the job done. I helped you execute. I haven t thrown you under the bus. But be damn sure I won t let anyone do that to me
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I ll do what I can to keep it pretty
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I haven t. I won t.
MANSOOR IJAZ: By the way, I know a lot more than you give me credit for about the circumstances that led to May 1 and your role in all that. Just FYI
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: Honorable ppl stick with one another. Take care.
MANSOOR IJAZ: ;)
HUSSAIN HAQQANI: I am maintaining silence so pls check with me before reacting if some Pak journo attributes anything to me
MANSOOR IJAZ: It s interesting (and heartening) to see that many of the proposals made in the memo are now being implemented in the bilateral relationship. Very good
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